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1. Oral history interview with Dudley Horner, 1999
Horner, Dudley
- Name: Horner, Dudley (Interviewee)
- Format: oral histories
- Date: 1999
- Collection Name: Carnegie Corporation project. Part 2
- Abstract: Childhood and education: raised in Pietermaritzburg, South Africa, student movement, move to England early 1960s, return to Johannesburg, interaction with individuals banned by the government; career: archivist for the South African Institute of Race Relations; interest in labor relations; work with South Africa Labor and Development Research Unit [SALDRU], 1975-: colleagueship with director Francis Wilson, training social science students and returning scholars from exile, initial funding from the Anglo-American Chairman's Fund and the Ford Foundation, political effects of the First Carnegie Inquiry into Poverty and Development in Southern Africa, training black student interns to develop research skills; SALDRU's contribution to the Second Carnegie Inquiry into Poverty and Development in Southern Africa: frustration of data collection without intervention, importance of distinction between rural and urban poverty; effects of study; Francis Wilson's summation of the study, Uprooting Poverty: The South African Challenge; appointment to chair the South African Wage Board
2. Oral history interview with Francis Wilson, 1999
Wilson, Francis, 1939-
- Name: Wilson, Francis, 1939- (Interviewee)
- Format: oral histories
- Date: 1999
- Collection Name: Carnegie Corporation project. Part 2
- Abstract: Background: born 1939 Livingstone, Zambia; childhood Eastern Cape, South Africa, speaking Xhosa, anthropologist parents, progressive attitudes at home; University of Cape Town [UCT]: math and physics, political involvement, student organizations; U niversity of Cambridge: economics and race relations, Student Christian Movement, integrating faith and politics, social segregation; coming to terms with father's death in 1961; University of Virginia one-year scholarship; South African resistance movements in 1960s: military opposition, significant black opposition jailed, dead or in exile; career: return to South Africa, teaching and research job at UCT's School of Economics (1967- ); personal political development: anti-apartheid struggle within South Africa, influence of theological training, implementing creative strategies; research and publishing: oscillating migratory labor system, mines, pass laws, analyzing South African economy beyond national boundaries; establishing the Southern Africa Labour and Development Research Unit [SALDRU]; interaction with Carnegie Corporation of New York [Carnegie]: discussions with Alan Pifer and David Hood, realizing the Second Inquiry on Poverty and Development in Southern Africa [Second Inquiry] (1982-1984), the First Inquiry on Poverty in South Africa, creative interaction and trusting relationship with Carnegie; approach and preparations for Second Inquiry: organization and structure, bibliography, building racially diverse team of researchers, people together, discussions with Mamphela A. Ramphele and Fikile Bam, communicating project and gaining support from the African National Congress [ANC], support from the Ford Foundation for interns and returning scholars at SALDRU, interaction with media, collecting personal stories, confronting reality with fieldwork; goals of study: gather information, raise general consciousness and develop ideas, short versus long-term goals of political liberation; Omar Badsha and photographic contributions to Second Inquiry; poverty in South Africa: water distribution, rural versus urban, different geographical and social realities, unemployment, urbanization, industrialization and generation of poverty in rural areas; Black Consciousness Movement: Stephen Biko, Ramphele; violence and turmoil in 1980s; 1984 conference on Second Inquiry and post-conference publications: Education, from Poverty to Liberty : Report for the Second Carnegie Inquiry into Poverty and Development in Southern Africa, Uprooting Poverty: The South African Challenge; role of organizations for political change; SALDRU and the Project for Statistics and Living Standards in Development: chairman, support from the World Bank and the ANC; challenges facing the post-apartheid government; continued role of philanthropy in South Africa