doi:10.7916/g9n5-c756Oral history interview with Frank Barron, 2015Barron, Francis Poral historiesmixed materialLawyersDrug courts--United StatesTherapeutic communitiesSubstance abuse--TreatmentBarron, Francis PRosenthal, Mitchell S., 1935-Phoenix House (Organization)Cravath, Swaine & MooreBarron discusses the origins of Cravath, Swaine and Moore, LLP's relationship with Phoenix House. He explains his own exposure to the therapeutic community model. He elucidates Phoenix House's relationship to the justice system, which was its largest client, and his legal battles that allowed Phoenix to retain its treatment structure. Finally, he talks about more recent efforts to improve Phoenix's data management structure