doi:10.7916/6zst-h223Oral history interview with Jane Holl Lute, 2021Lute, Jane Holl, 1956-oral historiesmixed materialPresidents--United StatesTerrorism--Prevention--United StatesCivil rights--United StatesComputer security--United StatesRight-wing extremists--United StatesLute, Jane Holl, 1956-Obama, BarackUnited States. Department of Homeland SecurityJane Lute discusses her experiences within the Obama administration as the deputy secretary of homeland security from 2009 to 2013. Lute focuses on developing the purpose and direction of the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), as well as her work writing the first Quadrennial Homeland Security Review, getting a clean audit opinion, and creating guidance for grantmaking within the department. She discusses the difference between national security and homeland security, and provides details about the tension between preventing terrorism and protecting civil liberties. Reflecting on the growing importance of cybersecurity, Lute outlines the threats of ransomware and cyber illiteracy, as well as her view that the National Security Agency should not be responsible for cybersecurity. Also discussed are the DHS suicide rate; the rescinded DHS report on right-wing extremism; the attempted bombing of Northwest Airlines Flight 253 on December 25, 2009; the BP oil spill; and Lute's previous service in the U.S. Army, United Nations, and National Security Council staff