doi:10.7916/k2cg-0v91Oral history interview with Daryl W. Johnson, 2021Johnson, Daryl, 1969-oral historiesmixed materialPresidents--United StatesDomestic terrorism--Law and legislation--United StatesRight-wing extremists--United StatesWhite supremacy movements--United StatesWaco Branch Davidian Disaster, Tex., 1993Johnson, Daryl, 1969-Obama, BarackUnited States. Department of Homeland SecurityUnited States. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and FirearmsDaryl Johnson discusses his roles as an expert on domestic right-wing extremists at the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms and in the Department of Homeland Security (DHS)'s Office of Intelligence and Analysis. Johnson describes the history and progression of white supremacist groups and terror acts in the U.S. from the 1990s through the Trump administration and after. He describes Ruby Ridge and Waco in the '90s, which led to a growth of militias and marked the first wave of right-wing extremism. Johnson discusses the resurgence of non-Islamic domestic extremism in 2007 and 2008- leading up to and continuing after Obama's election- after a period of decreasing white supremacy post-9/11/2001. Johnson delves into his DHS report on right-wing extremism, including their broad definition of right-wing extremism; collaborating with federal, state, and local agencies and analysts; and, after the report was leaked, the conservative media's spin and DHS's reaction and eventual disbanding of the domestic terrorism program. Johnson outlines causes of the second wave of right-wing extremism, including Obama's identities, conspiracy theories and misinformation, and the advent of the internet and social media. Also discussed are militias of the '90s; the Army's strategic intelligence on domestic terrorism in the 1990s; how 9/11 shifted focus to al-Qaeda; the development of DHS's domestic terrorism unit; the pattern of domestic extremists being veterans; Johnson's role as a public voice against domestic terrorism; and various recent violent attacks and why the second wave of extremism is so dangerous