doi:10.7916/d8-tqg6-dp67Oral history interview with Susan Shirk, 2013Shirk, Susan Loral historiesmixed materialPolitical scientists--United StatesInternational relationsUnited States Relations ChinaChina Economic conditions 2000-United States Foreign relations Korea (North)Shirk, Susan LZhou, Enlai, 1898-1976Carnegie Corporation of New YorkUniversity of California, San Diego. School of Global Policy and StrategyUniversity of California Institute on Global Conflict and CooperationReminiscences of meeting Zhou Enlai in 1971; reflections on China's changing role in the world; impact of Chinese market reforms; importance of grant from Carnegie Corporation for the Institute on Global Conflict and Cooperation and Northeast Asia Cooperation Dialogue; origins, development and efficacy of Northeast Asia Cooperation Dialogue: China, North Korea; nuances of Track II diplomacy; economic visits by the North Koreans to the United States; impact of Track II diplomacy on socialization of China into cooperative behavior and norms; resistance of North Korea to engage in discussions; 2012 Leap Day agreement with North Korea; Track II diplomacy as trust building.